The Threshing Floor Radio Show-March 5, 2011-Randy Maugans
“At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.” -Matthew 18:1
WORD: “You will know more when you know what questions to ask.”
A mini-cast…in keeping with the current trend to speak only that which is needed, and no more:
What is our reference point for understanding…our wisdom…our own internal sense of WHO God is, and what He wants from us? We use knowledge, “book smarts”, and all manner of human effort to attempt to discern the Creator…none of this is necessarily wrong, but it IS out of balance. In our quest to understand, we pile layers and layers of our own conditioning…the consensus reality…onto what was intended to be an intuitive “knowing.”
We have for so long leaned to our own understanding that we have erected gigantic structures, called religions, which block the view of the primary source of our journey into spirit. We assert truths, based on man’s wisdom. man’s collective cultural interpretations of things eternal. And in that sense, we view the moon and not the SON. The mysteries of God were to known by CHILDREN…but institutions of man have removed GOD from the child-like sense of wonder, and made it an intellectual “paper chase.” This is vanity!
In prayer, I heard this: “You will know more when you know what questions to ask.”
Jesus responded to the right questions, and those who first followed Him in the power of His truth were “ignorant and unlearned men (Acts 4:13.)” We now need to KNOW…we need to draw closer to the original understandings which Christ came to give us. Religion stole it from the people, and used it as a mind hive of second-hand interpretations which have, to this day, served well the kingdoms of this world. You need to take it back. You need to find the PRIMARY Source…you need to find THE KNOWING.
Closing music:
” Thru The Glass”-Thirteen Senses
“I wanna hear your voice call me, call out loud
When you talk to me I’ll hear you out
I wanna space it out, too close, move on out
It’s all around for you to see
Yeah, it’s all I wanna see
But there’s such a lot of baggage.”
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Great show.
Thank you for shinning the light.
Mat 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
They did not speak Hebrew, but knew
bob
Excellent word Randy. It is so easy to equate having knowledge with being spiritual, and miss really knowing the Lord in an intimate, personal way. I have been guilty of being a moon gazer – catching the Lights reflection instead of looking to the source (Son), but the Lord is shifting me towards the modes you mentioned. May we all ask the right questions that Jesus is waiting to respond to, and learn how to better walk in the Lords love and power.
Sincerely — Jimmy H.
Blessings my Brother in Christ Jesus,
My father passed on Friday and it was the most beautiful and Only passing I have ever seen. One of the most amazing experiences of my life has been my earthy father taking flight. He,.. Wesley, that’s my daddy, was walking out his prayer. He had a merkel cancer that manifested the most hidious thing I have ever seen. It was the size of a football with oozing liquid, crusty calcifications. My entire body began to tremble and I just prayed and weeped over my father. Suddenly he looked up at me and said”what time’s my flight?” aww daddy I said.. it won’t be long. That evening my children came over with their children. They are light bearers.. pure hearts..(my grandchildren) and being what they are the entire atmosphere changed . I could actually see the Light on them. Not everyone had that on them.. but there were more than I expected…lol. My niece was born with a handicap which has made her very childlike. Because of the passing of my dad family is coming in from all over the country. When she arrived she saw my mother and scooted across the floor .. hopped up on the sofa right next to her and just hollered grandma.. grandma.. i missed you.. did you missed me? Her older sister prayed often for the Lord to heal Molly.. but one day the Lord spoke to Abby and told her it was not Molly’s time yet,, that He is using her to show people how to truly love…. made me weep. I was sitting on the floor and Molly scooted over to me and started clunking her forehead on mine…I ask the Lord.. why is she doing this?.. and He said to me.. “I want you to be more like Molly”. Asking the right questions in simplicity.
Another question I asked the Lord why this growth was on my daddy? He responded..”This is what I see when I look into the hearts of my People…. and your father was walking out his prayer….my dad would weep for his children and cried out to the Lord.. whatever it takes.. Lord.. what ever it takes.. to bring my children back to you. My dad did not know this until he was in and out of lucidness.. I believe the Lord revealed much to him as he spent these last 4 weeks mostly in the spirit. My dad never complained of pain.. and he always was very thankful for my sister Mimi’s help.. and her husband Randy. He would reach up and gently grasp his hands on her cheeks and drew her face into his and kissed her. It was beautiful to see the Light shining through him to her, and her to him. I was truly blessed to see it. It happened so many times.. and The King was revealing to me who each person was in His Kingdom.. my son Abe.. the one satan tried to take from my womb.. stood in my mothers living room and blew the shofar.. and I just knew that it is time.. all those tears.. all those bursting pumping painful sorrowful seasons were coming to an end. I give Glory to my King.
My mothers heart is filled with bitterness and resentment.. too much darkness .. she is not able to receive the Light… so now I enter a short season of walking out my prayer for my mother.. as my daddy did for his children. So please pray for me.. that religious spirit wants to rear its ugly head over and over again. But it is His Pure Light.. His Pure Love that cast out all the darkness. My mom needs to return unto her first love and I need to be His vessel to show her …He even gave me a song for my mom.. in time I will play it for her.. many songs the Lord has given me to share with my mom. I could tell you testimony after testimony after testimony of what has been happening these past few days.. ..a”shift” is in process and manifestations of His Glorious Light are being seen. It is awesome to walk in.
Blessings to you Brethren,
You Know who you are,
In Jesus,
Linda Garten (rasmeeah)
Randy , you heard right . You will know more when you know what questions to ask . If you ask our Heavenly Father how ….. with the help of the Holy Spirit to ask him questions …. your relationship will reach heights . Amazing …………..
Linda G., you brought clarity to walking out my prayers for my family. The Lord has shown you much in this season with your Dad. Thank you for sharing.
Randy, once again an amazing word, keep it simple in faith, love and obedience.
Linda Ryan
That’s a beautiful story Linda G.. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Yes indeed,” ..a”shift” is in process and manifestations of His Glorious Light are being seen.”
So exciting….we will KNOW Him, as we are KNOWN….by His Spirit’s revealing…
Hi Randy,
In an attempt to understand more fully where you are coming from I would simply like to state that your work with Sue Patterson involved an interpretation of the word of God that included your dutifully reading to us Strong’s Concordance word numbers and expounding their meaning to us. This would have to be during a past time when you considered the Bible to be authoritative.
Now you have brought the whole Christian faith into question by stating that the word of God may have been changed and that it alone is not authoritative but that we must go back to the source. I would like to know whether you still consider the Threshing Floor (especially the Third Day studies) to be valid since they were based on the authority of the word of God. If the word of God has since lost its unique authority– can we really rely on the books by Sue Patterson that have issued out of the Threshing Floor ministry ?
I hope this is taken as a thoughtful and respectful question. It is intended as such.
Dear John-
Do you listen to what I say on the shows? I consider the Bible to be authoritative to the point it presents us with a working roadmap of the work of the Creator…as I stated, repeatedly, it was assembled by councils of men, and has undergone significant revisions from the time it was first conceived. The first century believers had no such volume as such, so can we state that the Bible is not the first article of faith? Second, I can accept and use the Bible for teaching, study, and reflection because it is not an idol to me. That said, I also can consider outside works of similar historical, and even spiritual value in my studies without being an “apostate.”
Now…because you, and other fundamentalists, cannot wrap your minds around the fact that this thing called The Holy Bible is NOT THE WORD OF GOD, but a portion of the ongoing revelation of the Creator…YHWH…and that it is NOT perfect (only God is perfect, and His Son, Yeshua), you equate the Bible with God. God reveals Himself in many ways…one of them is in inspired writings to men…men who are not perfect. As I pointed out in a prior show, the transmission of the manuscripts which comprise this Bible includes thousands of scrolls, and the final books as yu read them in the Bible, are not necessarily faithful renderings. The manuscripts disagree. Why? Because they were transmitted down through hundreds of years by scribes…many of whom altered the writings. Was this malicious? I don’t know. This is the conclusion of numerous scholars over many hundreds of years. Is it a problem? Not if you trust God first.
It IS a problem when religions claim power over millions of souls using altered books to INTERPRET God’s will to control the masses. And this is the history of the churches. We no longer have people who can think and pray, we have people who follow blind leaders who are spiritually dead. Even worse, is the abuse by many (not all) Bible believers of those who read outside the books, or question, in an attempt to understand. Do you know how many times I have witnessed the abuse of people using scripture? How many times I have been abused by those wielding scripture…unrighteously?
I believe what is in the Bible. I trust it to communicate a beautiful plan by God to SAVE. But more than that, I trust the GOD who is in this Bible, and what He has shown me. He has shown me that the Bible is an IDOL because of what men do with it. God is famous for destroying idols…the first tablets of the law, the temple (twice), He loved Israel, but dispersed it to the four corners for whoredoms…do you see a pattern? LOVE GOD FIRST…then use the Bible to explain that love to others.
I consider the Third day studies to be valid, inasmuch as I trust the work of Sue Patterson to follow what GOD shows her. Do I agree with all the premises of the studes? No. I disagree with some minor points, and have my own sense about the bigger picture of prophecy. The Authority of God is, in my mind, separate from the Bible, as I consider the WORD OF GOD to be revealed…not a three dimensional object crafted by man. If you know how to pray and think, you can decide for yourself whether the works of Sue Patterson are reliable. I would suggest that you FIRST hear what God is telling YOU, and then read the materials accordingly. We are not the Holy Spirit.
I would add that if you think the “Christian faith” rests entirely on th Bible, your faith is a mile wide and an inch deep. Faith comes FIRST, then all other things are ADDED to that. The Threshing floor is valid to those who share and receive…to others, it is a stone of stumbling. I make no apologies for that…it has always been that way. And, yes, I received your questions as respectful…but your conclusions are disturbing. PLEASE listen to what I say without prejudice. Then decide.
Randy Maugans
P.S.-This is why we do not sell things…freely given, freely received. I ask no more than that.
Thanks for this “Knowing” show, Randy!
Your frankness and your faithfulness to explain pertinent questions are very helpful as we with less intellect than you sometimes struggle with clarity in these revelating teachings.
Yes, ask the right questions – seems like not many people are asking questions at all.
Asking questions takes time – time already fully subscribed by ______ – all the things drawing people away from God.
May God have mercy on our families and on us, and, in His timing, draw us irresistably back to Himself.
And may we spend time there in His presense, taking notes, sure, but talking to Him, expressing our love back as well as our current learning understanding which the Lord wants to be part of – and spending time asking questions and spending time waiting for answers too.
Linda G., tears of joy, sister. God bless you. Give Abe a hug, please, from Harvey. See yous then.
thats one of my reasons to be here is to be less religious,,though i do need to use decernment and not just believe just everything everyone says but check it out …that includes here..
God does not contradict himself….it should be clear but unveiled at times to me…beyond understanding at times
i have a vast background in eastern religions and mysticism and christianity which helps me understand your wordings but i can see where others could get confused on certain wording used that dont have those backgrounds of info to catch up on what is really being revealed…
the result is they back off thinking your caught up into the occult or??
sometimes i have to listen twice to it to really follow where your going…i enjoyed it today regardless
ok, was reading what you wrote above,,what is the evidence that backs up your claim that the bible word of God is altered,,,i would look at that if you have it..
i came to christianity through searching biblical archeology study in college.
The english american revised versions of 1880 were based primarily on greek manuscripts of 4th and 5th century..even 100 yrs back further papyrus manuscripts of John and luke. every verse of new testament in greek can be recovered from quotations of n/t greek Fathers in their writtings as the same as now…no doctrines, substantial facts or main message of death, resurrection ,,forgiveness of Christ is affected. non christian archeology confirms the old and n/t as a trust worthy historical document. Also archeology has discovery of written codes of hammurabi and lipit ishtar code to back it up pretty much…
Dont be offended but Christ said,,not Randy m. that “heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away”. God has his ways of preserving his word…there is really no evidence of that it is mans revisions….certain hebrew words do have other meanings at times but in context if you look at what is talked about in the verse it is accurate.
dont be offended,,i just commenting on the above i will listen to your other messages on here…sometimes i feel fundamentalist can get all too religious and dont know how to bring the word out the right way or get judgemental and abusive glad you brought that part out to light…
peace to you brother
A fairly balanced set of critical writings were posted with the show “The Inner Work”:
Bart D. Ehrman, “The New Testament: A Historical Introduction to the Early Christian Writings”
Bart D. Ehrman, “Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why.”
David Parker, “The Living Text of the Gospels.”
Bruce M. Metzger and Bart D. Ehrman, “The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration.”
I would add:
Bart D. Ehrman, “Jesus Interupted, Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (and Why We Don’t know About Them).”
I am not disowning the scriptures, specifically the “Holy Bible 1611 KJV”, I am placing it into a context of balance. The “Word of God” is not limited to the accepted texts…or to any written words…THE WORD is primal sound of God which is inborn into the living soul through conversion…it really is the “knowing.”
What scripture is for is to teach and mature the believer through a written witness, and to sustain faith. What is not for, is to be the final “word” , but a guide to the truth engrafted. Christians have grown up in the mind control of saying the Bible is THE word of God…it is not, in my opinion the final word, but a guide to HEAR the WORD which is carried by the Spirit, called “Wisdom.”
thanks for reply,,i will check out your sources on that. i dont see it yet as mind control,,the knowing does sound like some gnostic stuff i use to read kind of…hmm…will get back to ya
concerning bart ehrman book,,,textual discrepances and criticisms of bible have been explored before by similar intellectuals,,there are also otherside debates by other scholars and archeologist to refute his findings on a scholarly manner on his subjects that i researched..going in these areas one does need not just decernment but some scholarly wisdom to shift through it all…otherwise its purpose seems only to bring forth a fruit of pain, confusion and no release which could not be Gods purpose either..plus could cause people to falter away totally from the bible that are not able to be experienced to shift through it all…better left to those that can research correctly both sides…..prophecy is said to uplift, encourage and exhort others….there is a timing to things that i cant push iwithout the spirit behind it….my knowing tonite after sorting through it all is for now that God mystery for me is that he works in strange ways and if he says his word will not pass away,,then thats what it is….finding peace on it with God is important. …..