The Threshing Floor Radio Show-June 8, 2010-Randy Maugans with Paul Sandhu
Satan’s Seed-Part 5
Paul Sandhu on the web:
http://apocalypse2010.blogspot.com/
http://signsoftheend.net/
Paul Sandhu continues the “Satan’s Seed” series by examining the “sons oof God” of the Old Testament scriptures, and compare the doctrines frequently taught by many popular teachers with what scripture plainly says—line by line. These are crucial studies that demand the listener to study, compare, and test. We present the evidence.
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Some really huge points raised here that not only further dismantle the lies and conjecture out there but just as importantly I feel this show fleshes out the true perspective. Great show, thanks.
How great was that!? The premire show regarding the issue of the sons of God and all the straight forward logical approach we’ve come to expect from Randy and Paul. This is a must hear show.
I just finished listening to this program and have these thoughts to pass along.
First off, the sons of God in question cannot be flesh and blood, due to the following verses:
“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1Cr 15:50 King James Bible)
This Matthew Henry’s commentary on this verse:
“5. He sums up this argument by assigning the reason of this change (v. 50): Now this I say that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor doth corruption inherit incorruption. The natural body is flesh and blood, consisting of bones, muscles, nerves, veins, arteries, and their several fluids; and, as such, it is of a corruptible frame and form, liable to dissolution, to rot and moulder. But no such thing shall inherit the heavenly regions; for this were for corruption to inherit incorruption, which is little better than a contradiction in terms. The heavenly inheritance is incorruptible, and never fadeth away, 1 Pt. 1:4. How can this be possessed by flesh and blood, which is corruptible and will fade away? It must be changed into ever-during substance, before it can be capable of possessing the heavenly inheritance. The sum is that the bodies of the saints, when they shall rise again, will be greatly changed from what they are now, and much for the better. They are now corruptible, flesh and blood; they will be then incorruptible, glorious, and spiritual bodies, fitted to the celestial world and state, where they are ever afterwards to dwell, and have their eternal inheritance.”
http://www.blueletterbible.org/commentaries/comm_view.cfm?AuthorID=4&contentID=1749&commInfo=5&topic=1%20Corinthians&ar=1Cr_15_50
Think of this portion of scripture as well:
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (Jhn 3:5-6 KJV)
The “sons of God” mentioned in Job, chapters 1 and 2:
[6] Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. (Job 1:6 KJV)
[1] Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. (Job 2:1 KJV)
These ‘sons of God’ cannot be flesh and blood non-Adamic ‘humans’ for the reasons stated above.
If you don’t think that angels can lust after human woman think about this verse:
[10] For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. (1Cr 11:10 KJV)
One needs to consider as well that there are no female angels and such.
Finally, and I apologize for the length of this ‘comment’, why do must Christians believe that Isaiah 14:12-19, is a reference to the fallen cherub Satan when the context of this verse is talking about a man (verse 16,19)?:
“[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! [13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: [14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. [15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. [16] They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; [17] [That] made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; [that] opened not the house of his prisoners? [18] All the kings of the nations, [even] all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. [19] But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, [and as] the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.” (Isa 14:12-19 KJV)
Billy I
Brother Paul
I wanted to present some scriptural opposition to a few of Paul’s theorys that he presented in this show. Starting with the differecences seen in GEN 4 & 5.
First off Paul in the beginning of the show (11 min marker) was laying a foundation for the different theories. He was addressing the two common different views of the fallen angels theory, and the generations of Seth theory. He claimed that there were no differences between the rendering of GEN ch 4 & 5 meaning that there was no apparent differences between the line of Seth and the line of Cain. The bible does bring forth quite striking differences.
1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD
25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
Why does it say to Eve was born a man in Cain, and to Eve was born a son in Seth, who was an appointed seed by God ? This is a major difference in my opinion.
It also traces Cains linage and none of the ages were listed when his sons were born, and none of their ages when these men died. Yet in the 10 Patriarchs it lists all of this information. That also to me is a major difference in separating the two different linage’s of Seth and Cain.
Plus it describes the differences of Cain generations, as being not of God, as they were builders of cities, artificers of iron, and Lamech was the first to have two wives. He also slain a man. GEN ch 4-23.
While the attributes of generations of Seth were quite the opposite of Cains generations. Such as the difference between the two Enochs. One was good and one was bad. The descriptions and differences between the two generations were quite striking in GEN 4 & 5. Alsothere were NO negative accusations about any of the 10 patriarchs.
I think God even waited for Methuselah to pass on, before he flooded the the world, JMO.
If you take the 10 names in Hebrew of the Patriarchs It tells a whole condensed story of the bible.
So in conclusion there are major scriptural differences between the two
I have some other statements to address but I will wait on posting them.
Most humbly
Bill
People need to live a little more in they`re hearts, rather than live alot in this world,
what is of man will not continue, but what is of ELOHIM can not be torn down or taken away. I say to you , who is more right, the one who has the most vanity
in what he has said, or the humble man which eyes are open and ears that do listen.
LOVE THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND SOUL,
LOVE YOUR ENEMIES AND PRAY FOR THEM WHICH DO HATE YOU.
FORGIVE THOSE THAT WOULD BE HARMFUL TO YOU., SO YOU CAN ALSO RECIEVE
FORGIVENESS.