The Threshing Floor Radio Show-October 28, 2009-Randy Maugans
“And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath
not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to
pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously:
thou shalt not be afraid of him.”-Deuteronomy 18:21
Show Notes-TF-10-28-2009-Light-bearers-vs-Prophets-of-Doom
It needs to said—again and again: it is time for balance in the operation of prophecy. Rampaging on the landscape of alternative media (shortwave, satellite, web radio) are a strange brew of enterprising personalities, who apparently think the prophetic mantle includes running a “fear for profit” cottage industry.
Steve Quayle
The “big league” master is Steve Quayle, who claims he was “sent…as a prophet to the nations, after the order of Jeremiah.”
(Note: as was pointed out to me by a listener named Glenn, the Jeremiah quote which I attributed to Quayle, is actually from Stephen Bening—I mistakenly dropped the quote from Bening (found on Quayle’s website) into my notes as being from Quayle). My apologies to the listeners for the confusion–I goofed!)
Quayle makes his living selling gold and survival supplies via his presence on shortwave, satellite, and internet radio. The MAJOR product which Quayle peddles is FEAR, GLOOM, and DOOM. And buy some gold and survival supplies, please!
He enjoys tremendous popularity on George Nouri’s “Coast To Coast” and the Alex Jones Show. Abetted by one of “many inside sources” , the pseudononymous “Hawk Talon”—he scares the crap out of the still gullible “Christians” who thrive on the adrenaline bursts of his daily “alerts”.
The other side of the spectrum includes weird rod-dipping, death curse emitting, adulterous wackos, like Matthew Stephen and Stephen Bening; the date-setting (and missing) Vincent Xavier and the strange doctrines and missed dates of Benjamin Baruch.
The issues in the prophetic movement are deep and grave. Genuine prophets, now submerged in the backdrop are rising up. The time to get the house in order is nearly full. God judges HIS house first, and the prophets are first in line if they do not cease their fear-mongering and idle predictions.
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Please do not put Benjamin Baruch in teh same catagory as Vincent Xavier.
Benjamin is a man who truly seeks teh will of God and he is also my friend. If he is wrong then let the Lord deal with him. but I will tell you that God is raising up men of wisdom for this hour and we need to hear the message not shoot the messenger. dig deep into the word of God and hear what he is speaking to his called out. GOD does speak to individuals.
Test all things…
Thank you
Thomas Hunt
Narrow Pathway Ministries
Prescott AZ
Thomas-
Thanks for the comment:
I did not specifically put Benjamin Baruch in the same “category” as Vincent Xavier, but I did note that both Benjamin and my friend Nathan Leal appeared with Xavier on his radio show—and Benjamin appeared at least twice that I am aware of. I agree that Benjamin is NOT a “false prophet” by scriptural standards as I see his heart.
That said, Benjamin made several prophetic statements in his book, and elsewhere in appearances, that were based upon faulty doctrinal underpinnings and used those understanding to project timing aspects that did not withstand scrutiny. Benjamin has not answered any challenges I made to date–the invitation stands.
That said, I view Benjamin as a valuable messenger to the degree he interprets scripture accurately and does not embrace errors that are baked into the religious system. I view ALL the servants of YAHWEH as fellow laborers—I hold myself accountable to the same standards, as well.
This show is unfortunate in that it did lump together a number of false teachers with some who simply erred. Vincent Xavier is a false prophet because he embraces a false theology of the Latter Rain/Third Wave/Kansas City Prophetic movement and the prosperity “gospel”…and his own hypocrisy of both disputing, but embracing the 501(c)3 structure of the Beast Religious System.
I will point out that David Wilkerson, whom you promote on your website, is also part of this “double-minded” system, as he also has an INCORPORATED (501(c)3) ministry—THIS IS DOUBLE-MINDEDNESS and blunts the prophetic message of “come out of her…”
I would have to presume you, Thomas, have not listened to the “Threshing Floor” shows, for if you have you see we “dig (very) deep into the word of God.” Deep enough to sense when the train goes of the rails, and WHY many good-sounding “voices”, seeming to hold sound doctrine are deceived.
I am glad to account for any errors I may commit, and to answer to misunderstandings which come as result of miscommunication. That said, I pointed to critical errors in Benjamin Baruch’s prophetic view that to date remain unanswered unanswered.
Randy Maugans
I take exception with specific points in Benjamin’s exegesis of certain key scriptures related to (specifically) Israel and and particularly the “man child” prophecy made in his book, “The Day of the Lord Is At Hand”:
“The seventh week ended in 1998 and was followed by the seventieth Jubilee of Israel and the hundred
and twentieth Jubilee of creation. What has followed has been the eighth week, at time of new
beginnings, which will end in March of 2006. Based upon a literal fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy, the
Messiah the Prince must therefore come before the end of the eighth week in order to fulfill the
scripture perfectly for He comes after seven weeks (and therefore during the eighth week) and not after
eight weeks. Please understand, this is the in-breaking of the Lord, the coming of Messiah to complete
the second half of his seven year ministry upon the earth and it is not the literal second coming, for that
will await the conclusion of the great tribulation. Rather, the coming of the Messiah in the
ministry of the annointed messengers of God, will occur before March of 2006. This coming is the
revealing of the man-child of revelation.”
I may not dispute with some points of this word, as a study of the manchild, butI dispute both the prophetic timing of this writing, and also the (incorrect) exegesis of scripture in Psalm 90:10, by which he arrived at this screwball timing. AND the misapplication of Daniel 9—which is a FULFILLED prophecy which has nothing to do with the manchild of Revelation 12 directly—and this particular prophecy is false in its rendering. Benjamin apparently still sells this book, it is in circulation (2nd edition), and he still cites it on his website: http://www.benjaminbaruch.com/excerpts.php