Follow up to “The Rapture Cult and Sun Worship “
by Randy Maugans
“For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?”
The weekend firestorm over my article, The Rapture Cult and Sun Worship in the “Holy Land”, brought a wide array of responses including many supportive of the article. It also landed at the P.I.D. websites with a measured response of both embarrassment and some back-stepping.
I want to be clear that my critical remarks are not a personal attack on the Gilberts per se, but another volley of the grievances I have aired many years at those who promote the pre-tribulation rapture and dispensationalist doctrine—and the flakiness that attends same.
Understand, this is a public war for hearts and minds! As events heat up and every day brings us all closer to what most Bible based Christians see as the tribulation, these things take on a greater importance. Perhaps (just perhaps) believing in rapture did not matter 50 years ago. Perhaps “God winked”. Perhaps believers who were trapped in the church system and spoon-fed the doctrines brought into their churches by unscrupulous (and dishonst) Bible teachers were given the benefit of the doubt by a merciful God. After all Israel labored in bondage for 430 years after the writings of Malachi made it very clear that the preisthood was corrutpt. Jesus loved them and presented Himself for their redemption at the appointed time.
Like Israel of old, the spiritual Israel of the New Covenant—what is erroneously called “The Church”—has back-slidden and now cannot hear, or read the plain writ of scripture. The abundance of refutations on rapture doctrine (pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath—pick one) and the enormous evidence compiled about the dishonesty of Cyrus Scofield and his followers bears a witness not unlike that borne by Isaiah, Jeremiah, and the Lord, Himself to a people whose “heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed…”
It is never comfortable for me to go after another ministry—it is not sport or done lightly. But indignation rises up, and those who have placed themselves into the public ministry of the scriptures play by different standards than those outlined in Matthew 18. I understand this…I have been on the receiving end of it many times.
Just once, I wish someone would take full responsibility for the doctrines they promote. There seems to be this attitude that prophecy is devoid of doctrinal implications. That prophetic understanding is somehow a parlor game in which anything can be thrown out into the “mix” without doctrinal underpinnings.
The response from P.I.D. Radio is an example of a half-hearted attempt at face-saving in the face of withering criticism. I would apologize if I thought I erred, but so far my comments still are valid. I will note that Sharon Gilbert posted to her blog a “disclaimer”—and has now deleted the article completely (the full text is in the article) . So much for journalistic integrity!
Derek Gilbert has now weighed in with his piece, Clarification on the Blessing of the Sun” (partial quote):
“But when believers who devote themselves to the study of prophecy misunderstand us, we obviously didn’t make our point clear.
We did not and would never attribute prophetic authority to anything but scripture. We simply mentioned this historic event as another data point to consider while analyzing the big picture.
Now, there is a spirit at work in assigning importance to any specific sign or date. It’s entirely possible that the enemy, which knows scripture better than any of us, has attached significance to this year’s Blessing of the Sun (just as it has with the year 2012) to distract us from the core issue of sin and salvation.
That doesn’t mean we should ignore the event. At the very least, we should be aware that the enemy may use it to deceive others who are looking for a false Messiah. That point wasn’t made clear during the show, and for that I apologize.
But please don’t interpret that error as somehow endorsing the event or basing our doctrine on it. From the whole of the work we’ve produced at P.I.D. Radio and our websites, our position should be clear. Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.”
My thoughts are that they still don’t get it. First, what was meant by the term: “Jewish believers” in the opening line of the article? Believers in what? The congenial tone and wholesale embrace of this mass of sun-worshippers as “believers” communicates a relationship which the undiscerning reader would impute as fellowship. But my Bible tells me (Ephesians 5:11) to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness (or sun worship). What part of this is not doctrine?
Derek Gilbert’s clever inversion of the prophetic aspects of this article is to be envied. Now it is, perhaps, the work of the enemy to divert attention to a particular sign or date—yeah, that’s it. Flip Wilson call home.
The real problem in all this is that, Derek and Sharon’s assertion aside, this WAS and is a doctrinal issue. For all the reasons I outlined in the original post regarding rapture and dispensational doctrine there were inherent doctrinal positions taken in both articles which go beyond the simple issue of salvation.
Salvation by faith in Jesus Christ is level one for a believer. It is by far the most important—and fragile—but it does not end there. In fact, scripture is very clear that doctrine is what sustains the believer, nourishes faith, and matures the walk. It is pure sophistry to think that such an article (and a podcast, although I did not hear the show), couched as it was in prophetic tones did not represent doctrine.
The doctrine represented was an expressed belief in a pre-trib rapture of the church, the “doctrine of immanance” (the belief that the aforementioned “rapture” can occur at any time—no prior signs required…), and a heavy emphasis on something termed “the third redemption of Israel”, along with a seven year tribulation cycle.
The war for hearts and minds of believers holds high stakes in the last days. The rapture doctrine is riddled with problems, including its theoretical placement in the time line of Revelation and Daniel. The fact is, that the “rapture doctrine” is not a coherent Biblical doctrine, it is part of the state of Babel which now grips both the established church system and the “alternative” para-church movement on the internet.
The Threshing Floor is often contacted by confused believers—many new converts, who are helplessly searching for the “certain sound” of coherent doctrine. Others have left the church system they know is corrupt, and seek clear, strongly reasoned exegesis of scripture. Each time we have to address the contradictions presented by erroneous, careless or casual doctrinal presentations, my heart cries out for a God to cleanse His house.
We need to get away from the glib presentations, the careless commentaries, and the hodge-podge of current events. We need to get a clear view of scripture and an ever-present awe of the author of the Word, and the presence of His Holy Spirit who teaches all things and brings all things into remembrance…(John 14:26). With those thoughts I close this matter, except to pray for the body of believers to become “fellowhelpers to the truth”(3John 1:8)—to that end I offer always to give an answer, to every man that asketh, of what I believe.









“TRIBULATION INDEX” becomes “RAPTURE INDEX”
For 18 centuries all organized churches and all official Christian theology embraced the “Tribulation Index” (that is, the essence of it without using the label). In recent years a Nebraska “rustler” has been changing it into the “Rapture Index.” For more info Google “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology)” and “Open Letter to Todd Strandberg.” For some background on “rapture rustling” read “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty” on the “Powered by Christ Ministries” site. But, pardner, you’d better take some tranquilizers before you lasso any of the above items!
Interesting! I don’t suppose these folk read “Foxes Book of Martyrs”? Where was THEIR “rapture”?
I don’t do “tranx”—or any other remedies. Nothing surprises me. Isaiah said it best:
“Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.”-Isaiah 5:14
Thanks for the links—I will look at them.
Randy Maugans
Just a quick comment here please….
I had never heard of this “rapture” thing until I heard of it over the internet.
Also, (fortunatly) I did not attend “Professional Church” at all, other than for funerals, and very little when I was a small child.
I read my bible, for the messages of love mostly, and the story aspects too. I especially enjoy “seeing” new and wonderful messages that I had not noticed before.
When I ran across this rapture thing, I kept looking for a sermon, podcast, paper, or whatever to explain the concept to me, as I had never been shown this during my own readings. So I began looking for it myself in my bible and still nothing! I could only see one possible place that it could be coming from, and that is the phrase by Paul, “We will not all sleep”. But, I thought, “geez…..such a massive following on one phrase?” So I asked around the internet, (honestly desiring to know)..if someone could show me where this was coming from. No doubt you already know that these people really don’t have an answer. It seems that they just believe it because they were raised that way, someone told them once, their social groups believe it, or whatever. I believe this is why when asked/confronted with a simple question they become defensive. It is hard for ANYONE to come to the knowledge that ALL of their teachers, friends, family could be wrong. The one thing that I always use when reading or listening to any teacher, friend, news story, etc. etc. that always gets me through the confusion, and contention is this…..”Cursed is the man that trusts in a man, and maketh flesh his arm”. and “Lean not on thy own understanding”. Also in one of the new testament letters, (Jude?) it is very plainly stated that if any have a question….let him ask God. When I saw that GOD actually “cursed” you for trusting in man, I then understood how important it was not to do that. We all need to be very aware of this doctrine, especially now! If we could guide these people to these bible verses, and simply ask them to show us where their “rapture” theory is in the bible, they may search it out for themselves, to prove US wrong, of course, but in the end concluding that sure enough, they cannot find it either, thereby getting them to question a lot of other things as well.
Confrontation on a “core” belief is going to be tough for anyone, so we sort of need to allow them to become defensive (at first) but hopefully we can get them to look in to it for themselves. A lot of teachers have been deceived and they do not know it yet, but I pray, that by being kind and gentle and understanding that we can save some, pulling them out of the FIRE!
People have been told their whole lives….that the Bible cannot be understood unless you go to college, or studied your whole lives, so most people assume (I think) that they will not understand it at all. How wrong! The world has done such a horrible thing to these poor lost sheep. Little do they know that God LOVES THEM so very much, and wants to talk to them, if they would just pick up THE WORD of GOD, and read for themselves, they would know that TRUE and REAL love of the Father, that surpasses all understanding, and FEEL it for real, for the first time in their lives. He begs us daily, and it is so very wonderful when you put your heart and mind to it, you would kick yourself for not doing it sooner. There were times for me, that I felt he was sitting right there, in the very room with me, guiding me as a little babe through the maze of this world, that is how real GOD is to me. How silly it is to go about looking for love in this world, when all the time he is standing right there, begging you, to come to him. I do not hold it against them though, because the world is run by Satan, and he would deceive the very elect if GOD allowed it. So truely by Gods grace we know Him, or rather, He knows us.
Soon, I think, alot of people will come around. Now that this country is being taken over, jobs are gone, money is gone, and everything that they put their hopes in is gone, they will have one thing, that maybe, they never had before….TIME. Time to reflect, to repent, to study and finally come back to Jesus in TRUTH. Frankly, as tough as this time is going to be, GOD knows this is the only thing that will bring them back to reality, and afterall, FATHER KNOWS BEST. As you have said many times Randy and Sue, we just need to be there for them when they wake up to the HELL that they have been in and are in, with all the love, all the grace, and understanding that we can give them in the FATHER’s name. Amen.
Here’s DOCTRINE for you: Revelation 3:10, and Revelation 4:4. If you can’t believe the very Words of Jesus Christ, King of kings and Lord of lords, Himself, who will you believe?